I truly empathize with your anger and disappointment couvee... a lot of people missed out on this one but don't give up.

It is so bloody obvious that some soundtack record labels are simply becoming 'warehouse whores' and overly anxious to get rid of their so called limited stock releases as soon as possible by providing a good lay to anything that moves and by opening their legs to what seems like vulture middle men retailers who basically have no interest in film score music and whose main goal is to simply buy in bulk as many limited film score copies as possible and make a profit not giving the chance to the ones who are truly interested in film music to think and make their purchase.

Of course in a free market economy there is nothing wrong with that but first let us show some courtesy to the devoted soundtrack collectors, shall we?

One more thing...

Why all this kindergarten teasing with senseless and stupid riddles is beyond me.

Just make a freaking announcement that on such a date, we will be releasing this score and that score in limited supply and once selling begins, simply place a buyer's limit for just a few days to give the ones who are truly interested in film music to acquire the perspective film score(s) if they wish.

After these 'courtesy' measures... let all hell break loose!

If the one who might have been interested missed out... well, tough luck then.

At least they could have had a chance and some breathing space!

serifiot, July 2, 2008; 8:10 PM

You have my sympathies but, overall, its tough luck and that applies to all of us including me. I have missed out on soundtracks and that is down to one person, me. As we have read and contributed to these forums on a number of occasions, the amount of CDs issued (Limited) is out of the hands of the producer as I am led to believe as it is a licensing issue.

It is disingenious to suggest that 'that legs are open' to allow anyone to buy what they want in relation to traders, particularly with Intrada. They can hold their heads up and often act with integrity if they fully well know one of their titles is literally going out of the door by announcing and restricting the sales to one per customer. However, this in itself may cause a problem in so far as titles then not selling of which Intrada has a few in the Signature range.

Varese on other hand show very little in terms of scruples and sell to whoever. One point of thanks to Intrada; when Inchon sold out I emailed them to tell them that I had missed out. They advised me to put in an order anyway and they would do their best to avail me a copy. And you know what, they did exactly that because someone may well have ordered multiple copies to flog on ebay.
So I would suggest, particularly with Intrada, if you miss out or see sold out in the first few days, email them. I have nothing but praise for those guys and perhaps a few of you who have had positive dealings with them can show your appreciation.

TheSaint.786, July 3, 2008; 5:22 AM

Yes it's a pervert system and we are all prisoner of this .
In the beginning however it is an obligation created by the studio itself owner of the rights of
the music .
It is the studio that should release the soundtrack and make profits of it initially ! But they
don't care most of the time of the soundtrack which allows small companies to develop deals
with them to release the soundtrack in such small quantities it doesn't seem attractive for
the studio . Scores involve too many people : you have to pay the composer, the producer,
the famous orchestral fee and for what ? A small amount of hardcore fans (count me in !) ?
Let's face it it is not a large market if you except a few titles !

So the deal companies like Intrada or LalaLand is precisely it is reeased in small quantities or
it is not released at all !!Do you really think Intrada wouldn't prefer to have the money of
their releases better than the bunch of stupid opportunists on e-bay ?

Have you seen the number of "Delta force" copies this week on e-bay ? Makes me mad !

And I think they would prefer it to be like the Alien release which is not limited and I'd be
curious to know how many they sold ! The same with the Superman box in FSM !

When you see the titles they release I always wonder how they can make it ! And the big
money on "Omega Man" and "Tower Inferno" doesn't go in their pockets !

Only Varese remains different from the other publishers. They were the first who understand
the value of the limited editions and perfectly know how to use it ! I am the first to buy titles
from them and I respect their work ( desperately waiting for my Berstein !!) but we all know
they release titles they know it will sell ONLY because it's limited !

Anyway it is a silly system that allows score to be released that would not exist without it !!

Best regards to all

michel, July 3, 2008; 5:53 AM

Seems I posted my answer while you were posted yours, Thesaint !
As it tells pretty much the same sorry for that redundance ...

And I agree with Intrada as I had exactly the same experience !

michel, July 3, 2008; 5:57 AM

Intrada did decide on a purchase limit on ''Scorpio'' when the count was very low but unfortunately it was too late for some I guess.

Nevertheless, it is disheartening to see big chunks of a limited release go to retailers who relentlessly buy the same title in bulk.

As mentioned, ''Delta Force'' was one recent example.

BTW, ''Scorpio'' is available from eBay.

serifiot, July 3, 2008; 8:25 AM

Ebay??...what a surprise!

rmensing, July 3, 2008; 10:29 AM

All this hassle has a lot to do with the sales policy of some labels, but much more with those
who euphemistically name themselves "collectors.

Just call anything "limited" and all of them freak out like a bunch of Lemmings.

May I dare to remind that there are a lot of releases which are awfully limited, but as they do
not bear it in bid red letters on their case, those who are greedy for a quick profit - and as I
see it, they are meanwhile in the majority, even here at SC - simply overlook them.

Harkit's Klute for instance was released in less than 1.000 copies, Ripley's Game by Morricone
even came in 700 copies. Both are much better scores than most of those, everyone's going
mad about.

PS: I missed out on Scorpio too. :(

coma, July 3, 2008; 10:57 AM

I'd say the blame goes on those who are dumb enough to spend fifty dollars on up for a recently released compact disc.

Corruption and greed is what it's all about these days.

I'd say if any label wanted to be fair minded about it, they would set a limit of one copy per title for the first six weeks. After that let the sheisters dip their fingers. That would stop the bulk buyers because they would know that most people who wanted a particular title had already purchased it. That's the way I would handle it.

I'd slam the door pronto in the face of anyone trying to make an unfair profit from the fruits of my labor.

I've owned the Bernstein FilmScoreCollection pressing of "Scorpio" for about 16 years.

I say it's time for a congressional investigation into unfair marketing practices.

victoravalentine, July 3, 2008; 11:00 AM

I still have my Bernstein Filmmusic collection LP of Scorpio still! No need to aplogise Michel. This is a subject that gets a lot of us animated, but what can we do, keep vigilant I guess.

TheSaint.786, July 3, 2008; 11:11 AM

And now I notice on ebay a copy of "Scorpio" up to $102.00 with over 5 days left on auction. Several hours ago someone listed buy it now for $89.00. The dumbasses who bid it up to $102.00 jumped the gun.

I feel for the people who are so determined to get ahold of a copy. Personally, I draw the line when I sense I'm being played for a chump.

victoravalentine, July 3, 2008; 11:29 AM

See what I mean. People paying over 100 dollars to get a CD that was released yesterday.
That's why I decided to pass this on. It's not about the music, but more about collecting. For
that money you can buy a lot of other interesting music. I understand the licensing issue. I also
agree with a one CD per person rule. Anyone ordering more is a dealer eager to make a profit. I
also put the clientfriendlyness of Intrada to the test. I mailed them to make available any
leftover copy to a serious musiclover. Let's see what happens. I keep you posted folks...

chris, July 3, 2008; 11:56 AM

Agreed. $100.00 dollars buys a lot of music if a person plays it smart.

victoravalentine, July 3, 2008; 4:40 PM

At www.soundtrackcorner.de it is available for 40 Euros. @coma: i always thought the Harkit-Release of Klute was a bootleg?


peter-anselm, July 3, 2008; 5:10 PM

@ Peter: According to FSM, yes. According to the rest of the world, no. ;)

coma, July 3, 2008; 6:26 PM

It is, no matter how you smile.

42zaphod, July 3, 2008; 7:18 PM

My brother has a copy of the first pressing on vinyl of the "Klute" score. Bought it in Chicago years ago. I've always considered it a non-commercial release. Some call it a bootleg. I don't like the term bootleg as applied to the recording, it's much better than that. The Harkit is a second UK pressing of that LP. I read somewhere (probably here), that some schmoo lent a tape with one track deleted from the original LP and Harkit released it as that.
I agree that "Klute" is a great score. I wouldn't say it's better than "Scorpio" as the two are entirely different listening experiences.

victoravalentine, July 3, 2008; 8:45 PM

Here is a response on the Intrada site;

http://store.intrada.com/s.nl

and go to Doug's Corner

This is an interesting quote; "By the way. We're toying with packaging respective items as
"limited editions" but leaving actual quantities in obscurity, like we originally did. Fans will
presumably still enjoy the luster of limited editions but maybe speculators will ponder things a
bit longer. But that's just a random thought at the moment."

By the way, so far I didn't get any answer from Intrada about my request for a leftover
Scorpio-copy. Probably none are left. So be it. There's no way I'm going to pay even 40 euro's
to some bloodsucking speculant.

chris, July 4, 2008; 7:18 AM

The quote sounds like legal mumbo jumbo. Personally I can't believe Intrada would be willing their sell their product to a dealer who will make a surefire profit of 80 dollars on each 20 the very next day without expecting a piece of the action.

Something is not on the level.

victoravalentine, July 4, 2008; 1:26 PM

Hi Don´t understand all the fuzz. This music is pure crap!

kaminsky, July 15, 2008; 4:46 PM