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Spartacus
It is very strange that this great score of Alex North has not been released until now in its entirity. Does anyone know the reason of this?
lu.cald, July 3, 2008; 10:37 AM
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There is actually a 2CD score that was released which I purchased a few months ago that has all the music from the film.
http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/soundtrackdetail.php?movieid=2695
It is a limited edition promo.
TheSaint.786, July 3, 2008; 5:16 PM

I'd call it bootleg rather than "Limited edition promo". Anyway, if you are interested in this great soundtrack in all its scope, the SVC release is the obvious choice. I hope some day there will be a legitimate edition with better sound quality and presentation. One of Jerry Goldsmith's latest projects was indeed a newly recorded and restored edition of this score by his much admired Alex North. Regretedly, Goldsmith died before the project could be materialized. A pity.
angeldibujo, July 3, 2008; 8:32 PM

The Goldsmith re-recordings of the North scores are the best. I've yet to buy a copy of "Streetcar". I don't know why I haven't.
Who's Afraid Of Virginia Woolf" is one of my favorites.
Too bad the "Spartacus" re-recording didn't happen.
victoravalentine, July 4, 2008; 2:01 AM

Angel
Call it what YOU like but according to the database on this website its not. I think the administrators on this website are more than capable of determining what is and what is not a bootleg. I'm wondering if you have any TSUNAMI label soundtracks...
TheSaint.786, July 4, 2008; 4:56 AM

First of all, I'm sorry if I've offended you TheSaint. It was no my intention at all.
As you say, "the administrators on this website are more than capable of determining what is and what is not a bootleg". That's true. Anyway, we all know that some mistakes appear from time to time in this magnificent site, and users like you and me are allowed to contact the administrators and report those errors. But that's not the question this time: what happens with Tsunami or this release of SPARTACUS is not a matter of determining if it is a bootleg edition or not. It depends on the point of view. According to the law, what is a bootleg in USA may not be in Germany or Andorra. For example, the music composed by Erich Wolfgang Korngold in the 30's for american movies has its legal rights and proprietors in the USA, but in some european countries is considered of public domain because of its age, and therefore it can be used by free.
As for the SPARTACUS "limited edition promo" CD released by SVC in the EEC, it's rather absurd what you can read in the booklet: "Promotional copy. Not licensed for public sale". My question is: who and why was promoting this score in Europe in 1994 (when this double CD was released)? The music was recorded in 1960 in the USA, and UNIVERSAL is the legitimate owner of the rights of this recording. It can't be a promotional copy for the promotion of the composer, because he died in 1991. It can't be either a promotional copy for the re-release of the movie at the theatres or in a home video format, because Universal is the owner of both, music and film, and this studio has obviously nothing to do with this release. Then, what does mean "promotional copy" in this case? Nothing legal for sure. Simply a fraud (call it a commercial trick if you please). In my humble opinion, it is a bootleg. But this is only my opinion, and I could be wrong.
On the other hand, I have this double CD an many of the Tsunami releases. When I purchased them, it was the only way for me to get those soundtracks, so I'm happy for that.
Kindest regards,
Angel
angeldibujo, July 4, 2008; 5:03 PM

I wasn't offended as such, its fact that I paid a lot of money for it and made sure of its authenticity before I paid the money for it. So you can understand my frustration when someone calls it a 'bootleg'. I have been stung in the past and unintentionally bought bootlegs which is why I doubley made sure with this set. I too have the odd Tsunami soundtracks and they aren't bootlegs either, in my opinion.
TheSaint.786, July 4, 2008; 7:10 PM

How did you make sure of its authenticity? Saint you got an 'authentic' bootleg then. What's the big deal if it was an unintentional bootleg purchase and who is going to judge you? As you probably know more about soundtracks than myself, there are 'bootlegs' out there that are quite pricy. Are you saying that you have never purchased 'bootlegs' intentionally? Just enjoy the music and do not worry if your Spartacus is a bootleg or not. I wish I had it. BTW, I think I have seen it in an actual record shop.
serifiot, July 4, 2008; 8:35 PM

I think the SPARTACUS set is a bootleg, but I don't regret having paid a high price for it, because I love the music and it doesn't exist any other better edition. Of course I'd prefer this CD to be a Deluxe edition released by FSM, SAE or Intrada, but I'm afraid that will not happen in short. So I will go on enjoying this release until a better one will be manufactured by one of those labels.
By the way Serifiot, I've seen bootlegs being sold in actual record shops (Tsunami, Membran, The Soundtrack Factory, Delphi...). It depends on the sources used by the manufacturers to deliver their products all over the world. Once the product is on the market, it's unstoppable.
One last thing to TheSaint: If you look for two different CDs released by the german label Delphi in this website, you will note something odd. THE GENERAL WITH THE COCKEYED ID appears as a legitimate release, while THE ILLUSTRATED MAN is considered a bootleg. Both CDs were released by Delphi in 1995 with correlative label numbers, 9103 and 9102. It could be that there were some mistakes in the site after all...
Greetings,
Angel
angeldibujo, July 4, 2008; 10:04 PM

By authenticity, I meant someone telling me for fact that I am NOT buying a bootleg. I bought it from a well renowned and respected business and I wont mention him or their company here as it would be remiss of me doing so. I don't profess to knowing more about soundtracks than anyone, it would be disingenuous to suggest so. I am happy to own this score as it is one my all time favourite films and had the pleasure to watch it in all its 65mm glory when it was restored.
If you really want this score, you can buy mine. Now there's an offer you can't refuse!
TheSaint.786, July 5, 2008; 4:50 AM

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