Sometimes the machine that cuts the inserts is a little off, causing the print on the spine to be unevenly placed. No worries. The photo of your disc looks almost identical to my copy, except the letters on my spine are placed just slightly higher (though still below the center). Inspecting the disc itself will be the true test as to whether or not it's a fake.

American.Nightmare, December 29, 2009; 3:35 PM

Thanks for the reply.

I had the same thoughts but, both of the lines of text on the spine are close to the fold. Like you say, one would be close to the fold while the other would be further from the fold if the cutter was off... hmmmm...

UPDATE: I've just managed to see another copy from a friend and the right side on his is massively off centre, while the other is perfectly centered!! Probably just dodgy printing.

mobius01, December 29, 2009; 4:00 PM

HAHAHA......well, thank God you didnt said you bought it in Argentina, or American Nightmare would have said its a pirate copy, and probably with virus, and will infect you and your cd player!!

By the way mobious01, the covers are not the most reliable place to check if the cd is genuine, you check if the CD is silver pressed and the inner ring codes are the same with other user who has it.



nicolas28, December 30, 2009; 8:19 PM

It's silver-pressed and the ring codes are: 10098 - 50370RTO 052407

mobius01, December 31, 2009; 9:06 AM

You have most likely purchased a fake !!
The inner ring on my copy purchased back then states :

BCD-3001-2T

And since it was a limited edition I don't think such a completely different number is very likely - in fact, I am pretty sure which notorious US-company is responsible for this fraud.

I have emailed Bruce Kimmel about this, I think, 2 or 3 years ago but he either did not cared or could do nothing about it.





goldsmithsonian, January 1, 2010; 1:35 PM

What is the IFPI No. on your copy?

It should be in the form of 'IFPI LT05'

mobius01, January 1, 2010; 4:00 PM

Like goldsmithsonian, on the inner ring of my copy is printed BCD-3001-2T, and also MFD BY JVC.



American.Nightmare, January 1, 2010; 9:00 PM

mobius01, I'm not sure what an IFPI no. is, but I don't see IFPI LT05 printed anywhere on my disc.

You didn't buy your copy from our friend nicolas28 in Argentina, did you?

American.Nightmare, January 1, 2010; 9:02 PM

I think you must stop listening American Nightmare, mobious!

He is quite a scam, usually offers fake bootlegs with one of the multiple fake users he has.
He also is very RACIST and likes to DISCRIMINATE everyone.
HE IS A SPECIALIST TO CALL EVERYTHING A FAKE, because for him anything outside USA is fake (a very "cave-man" way of thinking)
Avoid all his suggestions (turns out he is so dumb he doesnt know what an IFPI code is???HAHAHAHAHA).

Why dont you contact by email one of the users who has the CD on their public list? You can find it in the CD profile page, in OTHER MEMBERS
You ask them a pic of the CD inner ring and the disc too.

By the way, is the front cover a 3 page sheet, printed on both sides with only text in one of the sides?

Its for sure your disc is original.A bootleg copy is either a CD-R fake with scanned artwork, or a TOTALLY different artwork on covers and CD.There is no in-between.

If your front cover is a 3 part sheet, and there is a guy who bought it directly from the source telling you he has the same ring code, its indeed the original.

American.Nightpolution is trying to confuse you.Surely he will offer you to buy HIS copy for $900,32 in 3 payments of $9.999,99 since he is quite a scam.


nicolas28, January 3, 2010; 6:03 AM

@ Catfellah.
Are you the same catfellah who is selling a huge number of bootlegs on ebay.uk ???
If so, you seem to be quite naive.

What do you think happened back then ?
BayCities received the original batch from JVC and went to a another plant for some more copies paying at least for another glass master ??
Or why did JVC not identified themselves again for the extra copies ?





goldsmithsonian, January 3, 2010; 6:11 AM

I'm not surprised that the ring number differs on Return To Oz. These limited editions are often not pressed all in one go - Film Score Monthly have said they press about half of them first, and then later they press the remaining 1000 or 1500. I can verify this because I bought a spare copy of Fantastic Voyage directly from FSM just before it sold out, and it differs subtly from the earlier pressing: the ring numbers are different, the image on the CD is slightly different, and the later booklet has had the print reset, replacing some black and white images from the earlier booklet with colour ones.

I also bought a spare copy of The Great Escape directly from Varese just before that sold out, and the colours on the print side of the discs are different.

So there CAN be differences between first and second batches of limited edition CDs, and it does NOT automatically mean they are fakes.

stephenlister, January 3, 2010; 2:13 PM

As soon as I can I will check my old issue of SOUNDTRACK! from back then to verify what the limitation was.
But since this was a pre-internet release I seriously doubt it was higher than 1000 copies.
Even if it was a 2000-run I don't believe for a second that BayCities went for a second-batch to an anonymous pressing plant while the first batch was done at JVC.

@Stephen.
You mention a slightly different version of FANTASTIC VOYAGE. Is the pressing plant identified on the inner ring ?

goldsmithsonian, January 3, 2010; 4:48 PM

The pressing plant isn't identified on either of the two pressings of Fantastic Voyage.

stephenlister, January 3, 2010; 4:56 PM

Hi Mobius,

the store you bought it from maybe just did not cared to check the authenticity of this CD.
You should contact them and ask for at least a partial refund or credit because the price for a replica is certainly too high.

I just checked my original again and I don't see any black rings - so it is most likely a scanning artifact.

goldsmithsonian, January 6, 2010; 7:09 AM