Both CLASH and NIGHTMARE have been officially released only as CD-R in the USA !!!!
Here in Europe we were blessed with real CDs.

Other than that, both amazon.com and also amazon.de are, of course, full of bootlegs. I once informed .de that they offer the boot of TRANSFORMERS and they replied that according to their informations it is legit. Ha Ha.

goldsmithsonian, June 1, 2010; 6:42 AM

They are still "official" merchandise.
For example, the score for "The Phantom" long out of print, is available from amazon as a CD-R under their own re-print label.

The Incredible Hulk is also a CD-R, published independently through Amazon by Craig Armstrong who held it in high regard.

Now, of course I prefer pressed CDs, but when they are not available, you have to get what you get, I'd rather that than download.

GNP crescendo pulled a similar trick with their Search for Spock CD a few years ago. Out of print, they pushed off a few more batches as CD-Rs.
Sneaky, yes, but Amazon clearly states their Hulk is a CD-R; I bought it and was glad to have it rather than not have it at all.

graeme_watson, June 1, 2010; 8:25 AM

Well, yes, I ordered THE HULK pretty fast after it appeared on their website and Amazon did NOT mentioned then it was only a CD-R release !!
So I felt a bit cheated but I am also happy to have it.

goldsmithsonian, June 1, 2010; 9:01 AM

I also remember Hulkd 2cd at first was not advertised as CD-R and lot of people complained. This shows they were trying to scam people.
Specially cos if in all the world all others like Clash or Nightmare were pressed, they can offer it on amazon.de, and in amazon.com as an import.

I believe they are just trying to save money, cos they dont have to buy stock, just made on request.
And since in USA lots of people deal with bootlegs, they got a new market of CD-R

nicolas28, June 1, 2010; 12:54 PM

If you dare to look, you'll find the following mention on each respective product site:

"This product is manufactured on demand using CD-R recordable media. Amazon.com's
standard return policy will apply."


The whole thing started with Sony and Lakeshore, releasing scores in this form only. Instead
of complaining, we should be grateful that this music is released at all - and not just as a
download.

coma, June 3, 2010; 8:25 AM

Yes, of course it is great that the music is available in some physical form but I fail see why Amazon -

maybe the worldwide biggest online retailer -

should not be able to press 1000 copies of the scores they handle.

goldsmithsonian, June 3, 2010; 10:16 AM

Dear Coma
Regarding your comment, I remember very well "Incredible Hulk" was not advertised as CD-R the first weeks, and lot of people started to complaint about this, and later Amazon added the "cd-r on demand.

And we should complaint indeed : if Europe and even here in south america we have factory pressed editions, why they sell CD-R??? They have Amazon.DE and Amazon.UK, and can sell it as import from there to USA. There is no reason to make this CD-R, other than avoid buying stock and not invest money on them.

nicolas28, June 4, 2010; 1:59 AM

It's not Amazon's responsibility, if a label decides to publish a title as an on-demand CD-R.
Please don't forget, that different regions have often different licensing agreements. Perhaps
a label sees a bigger chance to sell a pressed CD in Europe, in quantities that justify the
investment.
On the other hand, why should they press and stock some thousand copies for the US
market, when the demand is rather limited?

I'm not a big fan of CD-Rs myself, but I prefer to have a legit release of the latest score by
Georges Fenton, to not having it.

coma, June 4, 2010; 3:36 PM

Then we should blame all record companies for not releasing FULL edition scores of any composer, and not attack bootlegers who offer them online, its the only way to get some scores, according to your.

And still you didnt answered why Amazon dont offer the european pressed editions as IMPORT in USA?

They decided to offer it as CD-R, simply to avoid investment. And since in USA lots of people buy bootlegs......and its interesting how most of those people then talk against bootlegs here ;-) but they bought and sell (or even offer to make a burned copy in this same forum)




nicolas28, June 5, 2010; 6:24 PM

"And still you didnt answered why Amazon dont offer the european pressed editions as IMPORT
in USA?"

Nicolas, as I said before, this is supposedly due to licensing rights. Although we're living in a
presumably globalized world, it is still divided in different territories.

coma, June 6, 2010; 8:51 AM

If they dont have the license, then they cant sell it as a CD-R either.

And you, as a customer can very well purchase on Amazon.Kn as far you want, and if Amazon instead of selling you a bootleg, inform "this title is an import" or "it sell directly from UK or DE" you can very well get the original.

As I said, this is only cos amazon dont want to invest money.


nicolas28, June 6, 2010; 1:00 PM

Wow, Nicolas. You are in fact completely resistant to any form of advice,
aren't you?

coma, June 10, 2010; 1:29 PM

What advise?

You just said "license issues" regarding it was pressed on europe and south america.

That doesnt means they have the right to make CD-R

Or maybe you are a stock holder from Amazon.com and want to justificate them? :-)


I must add now I received today offers for DVD-R, and this movies are know for years to have pressed releases everywhere in the world! This has nothing to do with license, but seems USA is the biggest downloader of torrents, napsters, and whatever, so they dont bother in spend $ on stock of real DVDs to sell there.




nicolas28, June 11, 2010; 3:21 PM

dear nicolas28,

As we concluded lots of times before: NOT ANY CD-R is a bootleg by definition. It's a matter of rights ownership.
But as usual, you're blaming anyone and everything for selling "bootlegs".

Now, if there is any company in the world you should not try to accuse of foul play, it is Amazon. Although a huge stinky conglomerate, they are the most costumer friendly bunch I've ever encountered in my life.
I'm 100% sure that - if it was not stated they sold a CD-R and you were surprised to receive one - they would refund everything you spent on it and then some, without even questioning it.
They simply can not afford to sell black market bootlegs (some may slip by offered through 'third party' sellers, that's another story).

What you're going for is: "if Amazon does it, I can do it too" and you want others to agree with you as it may sooth your concience, as you yourself sell quite some boots.

rinse_dream, June 14, 2010; 6:04 AM

Dear rinse_dream

What Im saying, and I think it was PERFECTLY clear is :

Why Amazon offer CD-R if they can IMPORT it from europe, by his OWN amazon.de or fr or uk?

Do you get this now? Im not trying to justificate you want to sell your bootlegs. Its up to you if you are trying to twist my words into that, so you get a clean consciousness

nicolas28, June 14, 2010; 7:30 PM

The answer was already presented.
Different country = different set of rules, according to the copyright agreement.
Yes, sometimes they can provide European imports on their US site, but with that come various taxes which will make the import CD far more expensive than the US CD-R.

So, if you are a US citizen and want to pay more to get the pressed CD version, you can order it through one of their EU shops, where you will pay more shipping costs. So really, the choice is up to the costumer.
I think that's a fair deal.

rinse_dream, June 15, 2010; 5:15 AM

"Sometimes".....but as I mentioned, they ALSO are bootleging movies and scores ALREADY pressed in USA.



nicolas28, June 16, 2010; 12:35 AM

It's got to do with the fact that to factory press cds they have to order a minimum of 500 copies each disc. And if they only sell 130 copies then their warehouses will be clogged up with stock that no one wants. Personally I think it's a good idea than not have it at all.

vistashow1000, August 19, 2010; 2:42 PM

Nicholas28 - you need to let go of the angst you seem to have with regards to bootlegs, cdr's etc. I don't have any advice to offer about this particular episode with Amazon, but you seem to have some sort of vendetta against all unpressed material. I recall a thread you engaged in with someone who said he / she was selling 'home made cd's' which they claimed they were buying from a UK dealer ( who just so happened to be Movie Boulevard. I am sure you must have heard of the soundtrack specialist store which was based in Leeds, UK ). I know as they are friends of mine. I am sure everyone must be sick of your rants regarding cdr's, boots etc.

Let it go, legal or not they are always going to be there.

whatsthescore, December 10, 2010; 3:27 PM

You totally missed the point. One thing is a 3cd set bootleg for Alien, which is totally unavailable, and other is to offer a CD-R for a genuine pressed CD, specially when Amazon can offer it as import in USA.

The actual crybabies could be the USA customers, who are always saying all the world is a bootleg supporter, but they are the biggest Torrent/Napster/Emule/bootlegers customers in the whole world.
And after thinking carefully, that could be a very valid reason for Amazon to stop offering pressed material in USA, since there people download all from internet with torrents

nicolas28, December 15, 2010; 8:34 PM