Misguided!? Ah well, that's why politics is a taboo subject. So let's get off that...and the Alamo for that matter. I haven't seen Pee Wee's Big Adventure on the count that the guys a child molestor. But can you please elaborate on your point?

TheSaint.786, August 10, 2005; 10:48 PM

It's a bootleg. They were mass-produced in Europe (?) over the past few years, and all of them have either a blank box or a line through the box where the number should have been. Otherwise they look almost identical to the originals. Another giveaway is the paper used for the inserts is thinner and glossier than the original Varese releases.

American.Nightmare, August 7, 2005; 7:30 PM

I have seen review copies of Cherry 2000 unumbered going for about £250, surely they can't be bootlegs. They guy who sells them at his shop swears blind they are genuine review copies as he does not sell boots, plus it would be illegal for him to do so.

TheSaint.786, August 8, 2005; 10:35 PM

As a matter of fact, you can still order this bootleg CD from www.arksquare.com for $38.00. They describe it as follows:

Varese Sarabande CD Club Volume 1. Sealed copy/ No numbering.
21 Tracks


No matter how you dress it up, it's still just a fake. It was not manufactured by Varese Sarabande, and it is not a "review copy." It is a bootleg, pure and simple, and it can be yours (or anyone's) for $38.00 from Ark Square.

I have owned both the bootleg and the original, and can tell you firsthand that there are slight but very noticeable differences between the two, namely the aforementioned differences in paper quality and also in the numerical codes are that printed around the inner ring of the disc. The bootleg also has a slightly thinner, more "trebly" and 2-dimensional sound than the original Varese pressing.

That person who is selling it in his shop for $400 is either very underhanded or perhaps simply uninformed. Either way, his customers are getting the royal screw if they pay that much for a counterfeit CD.


American.Nightmare, August 8, 2005; 11:08 PM

...and did you ever wonder why these un-numbered "review copies" suddenly appeared on the market within the past couple of years? Where have they been hiding for the past 18 years, in the basement of the Alamo?

American.Nightmare, August 8, 2005; 11:09 PM

Isn't the Alamo in Mexico or was until the US decided to take over the world piece by piece. Without digressing, wasn't the Prometheus release about to come to the fore when the unumbered review copies came about? Simple answer is, if you're concerned email varese I'm sure they'll help you out. Wont' they?

TheSaint.786, August 10, 2005; 2:45 AM

Man, you crapped all over my joke with your misguided political banter. Haven't you ever seen PEE WEE'S BIG ADVENTURE!?!?

American.Nightmare, August 10, 2005; 5:54 AM

No, I won't elaborate on my point. You missed the joke. This is a soundtrack forum, so you can keep your political opinions to yourself. Enough said.

American.Nightmare, August 11, 2005; 6:12 AM

My my aren't we tetchy! I can understand your anger but it was you who mentioned The Alamo, not me. I merely pointed out it was in Mexico. Besides, is there any need for us to fall out over a disagreement. Let's just agree to disagree and lets just stick to the soundtracks. Fair enough if you don't want to elaborate. There may be a time we might seek each others counsel on other matters. What dya say!?

TheSaint.786, August 11, 2005; 7:58 PM

Varèse has OFFICIALLY declared that NO unnumbered copies of Cherry 2000 ever existed. I remember reading that after having seen an unnumbered copy on eBay.

Hence, all unnumbered copies are bootlegs, or better counterfeits, of the worst nature - namely to draw big bucks out of innocent unknowing collectors by pretending to be something they're not.

Best,
Burnie


blinddoc, August 15, 2005; 3:12 AM

What I don't understand is why the bootlegmakers don't simply write there a number.

42zaphod, August 15, 2005; 3:56 AM

Indeed Playtime CD's which I have are more often without a number than with. I wonder if Prometheus is the same case, I have just one without a number.

42zaphod, August 16, 2005; 1:56 AM

FYI, the PROMETHEUS RECORDS release of CHERRY 2000 (couipled with the Poledouris score to NO MAN'S LAND) is a OFFIICAL release produced under license from MGM.

Any other version in the market (except the original VARESE release) is a bootleg.


Mark Banning
www.buysoundtrax.com

info, August 21, 2005; 12:22 AM

I don't understand. If one gets a hold of this specific unumbered cd or in fact any unumbered cd and simply hand writes a # in the box and resales it as an "original" how can the person who buys it actually know this cd is a so called fake? They can't. I mean what could they do? Go around the world and check if a person has the same numbered cd? I would assume a number pressed or stamped on by machine might be a little harder to copy as opposed to one that is simply hand written. Sure some fake cd's can be easily detected just by carefully looking at them as american nightmare righteously pointed out but again some others can be quite impossible to detect. Anyway, who are these people who actually sit down and hand number each limited cd copy in the record business? Imagine? I believe it's all a marketing ploy. Some OOP unnumbered cd's are just as limited and just as hard to find if not impossible as some sold out numbered cd's are.

sushislash, August 27, 2005; 3:51 AM

I noticed a brand new and sealed numbered copy in a record shop for 50 euro the other day. It was fake and it looked it. I felt like cursing at the owner but I let it not spoil my day. He had hand numbered the cd and then had it sealed. It was so ridiculously obvious.

serifiot, September 27, 2005; 2:48 AM