He has also been reported to Varese.

johnpt, April 7, 2006; 2:29 AM

Hey, "maniac",

Sorry but i do not understand one thing: of course this "spacebeef" is selling bootlegs and for sure this is not much regular but what do you usual to do everytime you want to listen an unreleased, out of print and hard to find score!? Nothing!! Or, at the most, you must spend a lot of money bidding on eBay and purchasing (ex.) "Predator" by VCL for $100 or more! And this is right, in your opinion!?

To "johnpt": instead of to do your reports, ask to Varèse to do a new release for the Spacecamp cd, this time NOT limited to 1000 copies!!

In my opinion, when every collector needs to listen "Blade Runner 2cd"(without FX too) or "Conan The Barbarian 2cd", luckily he can buy or trade a bootleg; and if you are not able to understand this, you are really poor!!

Again: i bouthg The Ghostbusters boot a few years ago and listened it (with its bad sound quality); this year i' ve finally ordered the official version.

Is it so difficult understanding this!?

Vaff (ancùl)

vaff, April 7, 2006; 3:48 AM

Hello,

You say "we probably all have sinned ONCE or TWICE"... Mmm !! If you are a scores fun as you declare, you have much more than one or two bootlegs in your collection; and don' t tell me the contrary.

I don' t think the regular companies are really damaged by the "black" business. It must be borne in mind that we are speaking about a particular and therefore relatively limited market: it is not so easy to look for an unreleased soundtrack, although there are places as eBay, and every good collector will buy official scores, everytime it will be possible, that' s what i mean.
And that is why i do not agree with these stupid complaints and they tic me off.

vaff, April 7, 2006; 2:28 PM

"it is not so easy to look for an unreleased soundtrack, although there are places as eBay, and every good collector will buy official scores, everytime it will be possible, that' s what i mean.
And that is why i do not agree with these stupid complaints and they tic me off. "


Yes, every good soundtrack collector will buy offical scores everytime it is possible.

This person, however, is selling bootlegs. Don't tell me they're trying to be the 'better person' by allowing people who missed out on buying the legits when they were available, by supplying them with the music they so desire. They don't care about that, they care about making a buck by selling illegal and bootlegged items.

If collectors wanted a score so badly, they would've purchased them when available. And if they missed, they should buy the originals on eBay, not some cheaper knock off version.

There is *nothing* you can say to me that will make your case. They sell bootlegs, and therefore should be reported.

End of story.

johnpt, April 7, 2006; 3:54 PM

Johnpt,

I'm not saying the bootleg sellers are the best persons in the world, what are you talking about!?
They just give a precious service to every collector who is looking for an unreleased or "impossible to find" soundtrack. Of course they don' t do it for free but it is a good thing all the same.

You say us collectors must buy the original cds when available but this is a naive and utopian consideration: how can you claim this!? And don' t tell me you have in your collection all scores you wish. What do you do when you are looking for unavailable music?

Also i think it' s much more "illegal" to sell an original cd on eBay for astronomical prices than a boot for a good price.



vaff, April 7, 2006; 7:13 PM

Please, people. There have always been bootleggers, there will always be bootleggers. It's like
trying to shut down all the P2P sites on the internet... you'll never win. Why? Because these
people fill a need. Supply and demand, it's that simple. Oh, they're theives! Oh, they steal!
Boo hoo! I'm with vaff on this one. If you want the bootlegging to stop, put out a legitimate
release. It'll work. Look how iTunes affected the P2P filesharers. If you put out a superior
official product, people will buy it, even if they already possess a boot. Like vaff, I too owned a
boot Ghostbusters before the Varèse release and like vaff I traded up. So stop with your
incessant whining! If you don't like boots, don't buy them. You want to snitch on the
bootleggers to Varèse, go ahead. Just make sure you write in your email to Bob Townson that
this wouldn't be such a problem if he'd just hurry the fuck up and release official versions of
these much sought after scores in the first place. What's a guy who wants the score to Blade
Runner supposed to do, anyway? It's been almost a quarter of a century already, and there's
still no official release worth owning! Give me a fucking break.

Zob10701, April 7, 2006; 7:36 PM

"You say us collectors must buy the original cds when available but this is a naive and utopian consideration"


Vaff,
I'm just quoting you.

"Yes, every good soundtrack collector will buy offical scores everytime it is possible."


"If you want the bootlegging to stop, put out a legitimate
release. It'll work. "

As for the latest count, he is selling 13 bootlegs of scores that HAVE been officially released. You say complain to Varese, tell them to put out more than 1,000 copies of a cd.
If you wanted a score so badly, you would've bought one of those copies. Do what most collectors, do what I do. Look at FSM, JWFAN, Musicfromthemovies, SAE, etc... on a basically daily basis and learn what is coming out.

I'm not saying that I'm a saint, sure I own a few bootleggs myself. The issue here is not owning them or not. The issue is selling them.
Congrats on you "trading up" your Ghostbusters cd. You've made Varese happy, and someone over on the Bernstein line, happy.

"email to Bob Townson that
this wouldn't be such a problem if he'd just hurry the fuck up and release official versions of
these much sought after scores in the first place."

And for anyone who is so into the soundtrack scene as much as you make yourself out to be, you should know that sometimes this isn't possible. Studios don't want to release the rights, the masters have been damaged, too expensive re-use fees..etc..etc...etc....

"What's a guy who wants the score to Blade
Runner supposed to do, anyway? It's been almost a quarter of a century already, and there's
still no official release worth owning!"

That's the problem. There HAS been an official release. But are you happy with that? NOOoooo , you want every last note don't you. I think it's time that you grow up. You want a score that isn't out? So it goes. You're not happy with a release of a score? So it goes. There is nothing you can do about it. You can either be happy with the fact that you can AT LEAST listen to some of the music apart from the film, or you can complain and bitch and moan and eventually bootleg. You want to do that? So it goes! I can't stop you.
Again, the issue here is the blatant selling of them.

There is NOTHING wrong with selling original cd's on eBay. Even for higher prices. Heck, I'm selling "The Towering Inferno" right now. I have a Buy It Now price of $100. Am I a thief? Possibly some may thing that. But at least I'm selling the original, and not the 2 cd crappy bootleg for the same.
You want official releases, they are out there. You missed the point to where they sold it out? Too bad. Now, you have to buy it where someone who knows how much it's worth, is going to ask for it.

What did people do before cd's or the internet were invented? Were you born yet (part of me tends to think no). They did like I, and many many many others did, they bought what they saw was available and the liked it. In this day and age of value meals, on-demand, downloadable instant gratification, there is NO pleasure in browsing the shops and saying "Oh, "Serpent and the Rainbow" I liked the music to that, I'll buy this!". Now, it's "Oh, Blade Runner... hey, look 2 cd's, that's nifty. $50 for 2 CDR"S? They look silver, they can't be. I'll buy it".

I am ashamed. I haven't obtained a soundtrack collection of over 3,000 cd's and 1,000 lp's over the past TWENTY-TWO years buy that attitude. I buy what I want when I see it available. And when the time comes to where I no longer listen to something, I sell it for what it's worth. I don't sell anything that is a boot.

I'm asking for a "utopian existence"? Please, don't hurt your brain with the mere thought of a world like that.
Until them, myself, rare_soundtrack_maniac, and a whole bunch of others are going to make it a little bit more difficult. We are the true supporters of this craft. Not the ones trying to line their pockets with gold.
That is the issue here. The selling of them.

johnpt, April 7, 2006; 8:25 PM

"And for anyone who is so into the soundtrack scene as much as you make yourself out to
be, you should know that sometimes this isn't possible. Studios don't want to release the
rights, the masters have been damaged, too expensive re-use fees..etc..etc...etc...."

And yet the bootleggers seem to have no problems releasing these scores.

"That's the problem. There HAS been an official release. But are you happy with that?
NOOoooo , you want every last note don't you. I think it's time that you grow up."

The Atlantic release was crap. Luckily, I have the Off World Records release that I picked up
at Footlight for $35. Uh, oh. That was a bootleg! Guess I should return it and report them to
Vangelis.

"There is NOTHING wrong with selling original cd's on eBay. Even for higher prices. Heck, I'm
selling "The Towering Inferno" right now. I have a Buy It Now price of $100. Am I a thief?
Possibly some may thing that. But at least I'm selling the original, and not the 2 cd crappy
bootleg for the same.
You want official releases, they are out there. You missed the point to where they sold it out?
Too bad. Now, you have to buy it where someone who knows how much it's worth, is going
to ask for it."

I have NO problem with you selling originals. Heck, I'll take an original over a boot any day of
the week. My problem is when there is no original. Blade Runner, Heavy Metal, Baby: Secret
of the Lost Legend, the list is almost endless.

"Until them, myself, rare_soundtrack_maniac, and a whole bunch of others are going to
make it a little bit more difficult. We are the true supporters of this craft. Not the ones trying
to line their pockets with gold.
That is the issue here. The selling of them."

Good luck with trying to make it "a little bit more difficult." If the RIAA couldn't stop this
problem, what chance have you? For that, I'm glad.
Oh, and for the record, I started collecting film music in the 70s. I too remember the days of
vinyl and films that came with no soundtrack albums. That's why I thank the technology
gods for the internet and bootleggers to give me that which I so desire. Great film music. I
don't buy up five copies of Delerue Varèse Club releases just to hoard them and sell them on
eBay. That's what grieves me the most about this "collector" culture. Delerue sells out in a
few hours on the virtue of it being limited to 1000 copies. That's just crazy. That's not
"supporting the craft." I think that falls more into the trying to line your pockets with gold
category. And please don't think I mean you with that last. I already said I have no problem
with people selling copies of originals that they no longer want. I'm talking about other
collector scum.

Zob10701, April 7, 2006; 9:09 PM

So? What, you think you guys can change the world? A grown man knows the world he lives in,
and right now, that includes bootleggers. I didn't create bootlegging, I simply reap it's rewards.
I respect the work of my favorite composers, it's the licensing I couldn't give a shit about. Oh,
and cry me a river over multi-millionaire composers... please. Spare me your bogus
altruism.

Zob10701, April 7, 2006; 11:58 PM

what a gobs***e you are!

anthonynputson, April 8, 2006; 12:03 AM

I'm a what? Sorry, I don't speak asterisk.

Zob10701, April 8, 2006; 12:14 AM

Johnpt,

It' s incredible!! You are just a big SPECULATOR and proud to be it! How you can sell cds for $100 and, at the same time, to have the nerve to accuse a bootlegs seller reporting him to eBay!?
Well, if you will send an email to Varèse Sarabande, do not forget to send another one to FSM reporting yourself because this is a shame!
And please do not repeat the cds you' re selling are originals because this is not the point: EXACLY as your "loved" boot sellers, you care about making a lot of money exploiting others' work (Varèse/FSM/Intrada etc..).

Another ridiculous consideration: you say the point is not owing boots but selling them... what are you talking about!? Where did you find the bootlegs you have in your collection? Maybe are rained from the sky!? And please, do not say you have "a few" boots. A FEW !? It is no joke!



vaff, April 8, 2006; 12:16 AM

anyone for tennis ?

anthonynputson, April 8, 2006; 12:37 AM

Coma,

You are an idiot. You speak about "respect for the work of composers" and then, in your opinion, is fair to sell cds for astronomical prices because of "their market value". You do not understand nothing.
Who is the real thief? The bootleg seller or the speculator?

Please go into your bathroom to do your corporal functions, close all windows and stay there!

vaff, April 8, 2006; 2:04 AM

Oh, I get the point.

"We are the true supporters of this craft. Not the ones trying to line their pockets with gold."

Uh-huh. Now that I've read through some of the threads here, I'm starting to get the
picture.
Coma, Email, 42Zaphod and of course, JohnPT, who at the moment has "True Confessions,"
"Top Secret," "Judgment Night," "Capricorn One," "An Almost Perfect Affair" and not one, but
TWO copies of "Last Flight Out" on eBay.

"I am ashamed. I haven't obtained a soundtrack collection of over 3,000 cd's and 1,000 lp's
over the past TWENTY-TWO years buy that attitude. I buy what I want when I see it
available. And when the time comes to where I no longer listen to something, I sell it for
what it's worth. I don't sell anything that is a boot."

You SHOULD be ashamed. When I buy a limited edition item, I buy it because I want the
music. I don't treat it like some kind of stock certificate to cash in later. When "I no longer
listen to something," huh? You no longer listen to all of these scores? How many more copies
do you have of these scores, John? How long until we see you or your friends selling another
copy of "The Towering Inferno." How long after Intrada's "House of Bamboo" is sold out will
we see a copy available on eBay for a BuyItNow of "only" $35 from one of you people? Oh, I
don't sell boots. To me, you're worse than bootleggers. Collector scum.

No wonder you guys are the "soundtrack police." Bootlegging undercuts your "business." No
wonder limited edition Delerue scores sell out in a matter of hours, the "true supporters" of
the craft have bought them all!

Zob10701, April 8, 2006; 12:55 AM

Great Zob!

They are all just a living contradiction.

Incredible

PS
Luckily some store as ScreenArchives are selling cds "limit one copy per customer" because of these real thief.

vaff, April 8, 2006; 1:07 AM

ive now lost count the amount of people on this thread who quite obviously got out of bed the wrong side this morning !!!!! regardless of how much an original item sells for, be it 10$ be it 100$ a portion of that original cd sale goes to the composer. What percentage of a bootleg cd sale goes to the composer i wonder?..................

anthonynputson, April 8, 2006; 1:26 AM

Hey, Coma,

Who did insult for first? Who did say for first "ignorant"?

If you need a "civilised" discussion, be not ill-bred for first because i do not stay to see, right?

Now, if you want to tell me what do you think about your friends which are now selling sealed copies of (ex.) "Die Hard", "Predator" or "Capricorn One"on eBay, you have all my attention.
Of course also tell me what is your opinion about bootlegs and bootleg sellers and how many boots you have in your collection and why?

Ok?

vaff, April 8, 2006; 1:53 AM

email,

What are you talking about? If "Johnpt" sells his "Towering Inferno" in or out of eBay, how much from the final price do you think will go to the composer!?

Please don' t be ridiculous you too

vaff, April 8, 2006; 1:51 AM

"........ and of course, JohnPT, who at the moment has "True Confessions,"
"Top Secret," "Judgment Night," "Capricorn One," "An Almost Perfect Affair" and not one, but
TWO copies of "Last Flight Out" on eBay."

You are correct. And they have all come from my own collection. Which (with the exception of Towering Inferno) have never been listened to. I got both "Last Flight Out"s as gifts, I am not a fan of Broughton so that is why those are being sold, and the others I am selling because I need the money. Since they are sitting there, still wrapped, and not being listened to, I figured I'd start with these. See if I can get what I need, and if not, I'll start going through the cd's that I *DO* listen to.

Who the hell are you to tell ME that what *I* am doing is wrong? None of these are bootlegs, and they are being offered at their value. I am in a situation where I need to make some quick cash, so I am trimming the fat, so to speak.

"You SHOULD be ashamed. When I buy a limited edition item, I buy it because I want the
music."

As do I. I haven't gotten around to listening to the cd's that I have up for sale (except T.Inferno).

"I don't treat it like some kind of stock certificate to cash in later. When "I no longer
listen to something,"

There's nothing wrong with that. Ever buy a house? A used car? People sell stuff they no longer need all the time.


"How many more copies
do you have of these scores, John?"

Just the ones I'm selling. I am a HUGE fan of Williams, I own just about everything that he has released since I was a little kid. I am very distraught about selling my "Inferno", but like I said.. I need some quick cash. I no longer listen to it, never really cared for it anyway, so I'm getting rid of it. Not because I have three more sitting around.
I am a fan of the craft, for the music, not to make money. How many auctions have you seen of mine? Huh? Take a loot at my feedback and history. I don't sell many items at ALL. As a matter of fact, I BUY more than I sell.



"How long after Intrada's "House of Bamboo" is sold out will
we see a copy available on eBay for a BuyItNow of "only" $35"

You'll never see that from me. I don't care for Harlin's music. Never had.

"To me, you're worse than bootleggers. Collector scum"

And in the long run, who really gives a s**t about what you think? To the record companies, people like me are the commodity.

"No wonder limited edition Delerue scores sell out in a matter of hours, the "true supporters" of
the craft have bought them all!"


Before you go dragging my name through the mud, why don't you get your facts straight. You don't know me, or my situation. Sure I can tell you that I haven't bought duplicates of stuff to sell, which I haven't, but you won't believe that. And you know, I do not give a rats' ass what you think.
I'm not selling bootlegs, making money off of copies cd's. I am selling my OWN items, to get a little bit of money that my wife and I need right now.

And and as for whoever's question, yes I have a **FEW** boots in my collection. Under 5. And I only have those because a friend was giving his collection away. I don't even care for the ones I have. But you don't see me selling those on eBay do you? I easily could, but I won't.

"What are you talking about? If "Johnpt" sells his "Towering Inferno" in or out of eBay, how much from the final price do you think will go to the composer!?"

The proceeds already went to them when I purchased the cd, from FSM. An original.
When you buy a house, and then sell it 10 years down the line for more than what you paid for it originally, do you send the original owners proceeds from that sale? Come on.


I pride the fact that 99.9% of my collection has been purchased by myself. This is my one true hobby that has not changed as I've grown up. My collection means a hell of a lot to me, and the people I care about know that. I take pride in my collection that has been purchased legally.

You go take pride in your copied cds.

When the day comes that you get contacted by a composer's lawyer for selling bootlegs, I'll be right there. Smiling.

johnpt, April 8, 2006; 2:09 AM

"email,

What are you talking about? If "Johnpt" sells his "Towering Inferno" in or out of eBay, how much from the final price do you think will go to the composer!?

Please don' t be ridiculous you too"

You absolute dipstick !!! you truly are of the dingbat kind !! ................ My friend, mr Williams recieved his cut from johns inferno cd long long ago !! Now, when do you think this was ???


anthonynputson, April 8, 2006; 2:15 AM

tut tut coma !! how`s he going to understand that ???? you forgot to put finger spaces inbetween each letter !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anthonynputson, April 8, 2006; 2:28 AM

Coma,

You say anyone can sell as he likes: i do not think so. To sell items for astronomical amounts is a shame because the speculation is unfair and, unfortunately, it is allowed by the law.
Much better to see bootleg sellers on ebay because you can buy or trade for good prices.
Then, when the relative official release will be available, it can be purchased, the market is save and everyone is happy; where is the problem? Most collectors do it.
You say you' re desperately waiting for dozens of soundtracks, unreleased until now. If you really don' t have those boots in your collection (but i think yes), you are too much unflexible, in my opinion.





email,

With your head you can do a nest for birds because it is empty!







vaff, April 8, 2006; 3:15 AM

puff .......with your english, you`re really spoiling us.

anthonynputson, April 8, 2006; 3:35 AM

"Before you go dragging my name through the mud, why don't you get your facts straight.
You don't know me, or my situation. Sure I can tell you that I haven't bought duplicates of
stuff to sell, which I haven't, but you won't believe that. And you know, I do not give a rats'
ass what you think.
I'm not selling bootlegs, making money off of copies cd's. I am selling my OWN items, to get a
little bit of money that my wife and I need right now.

And and as for whoever's question, yes I have a **FEW** boots in my collection. Under 5.
And I only have those because a friend was giving his collection away. I don't even care for
the ones I have. But you don't see me selling those on eBay do you? I easily could, but I
won't... I pride the fact that 99.9% of my collection has been purchased by myself. This is my
one true hobby that has not changed as I've grown up. My collection means a hell of a lot to
me, and the people I care about know that. I take pride in my collection that has been
purchased legally."

Very well, John. I believe you. I apologize. You are not collector scum.

"You go take pride in your copied cds."

It's not the CDs I love, only the music on them. If the unreleased music I wanted was
available on iTunes tomorrow, I'd buy it instantly.

"When the day comes that you get contacted by a composer's lawyer for selling bootlegs, I'll
be right there. Smiling."

That day will never come. I don't sell bootlegs.

Zob10701, April 8, 2006; 3:47 AM

"That day will never come. I don't sell bootlegs".



Hey you dont know a guy called Didier Drogba do you ??????

anthonynputson, April 8, 2006; 3:50 AM

"That day will never come. I don't sell bootlegs".


i think im seeing things !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What? I don't. I only buy them.

"Hey you dont know a guy called Didier Drogba do you ??????"

Uh, no.

Zob10701, April 8, 2006; 3:51 AM

Okay, it's enough now with this thread.
Everyone has said what he had to say.
Every new thread will be deleted.
And a nice weekend to all of you!


ton.werkman, April 8, 2006; 9:54 AM

We will decide when we have had enough with this thread, ton.werkman.

nick210780, April 15, 2006; 12:23 PM

Sorry Ton. Didn't know.

nick210780, April 15, 2006; 6:16 PM