double dito with lashings of lashings dished out!

anthonynputson, January 16, 2007; 7:46 AM

Phileroach

What evidence do you have that "he's a fraud?" apart from some the fact that you "think" it? Are you some all seeing, all knowing deity with knowledge of everything and everyone?! I'm interested in seeing you back up your accusation, so to retain your credibility and prove you're not just someone who makes ridiculous, unfounded assertions, please provide us with evidence that this person "is a fraud".

Thank You.

jk77, January 16, 2007; 9:56 AM

Wow, Jk77, are you the poster from IMDB that joelfan is talking about, lol. Sorry, don't mean to poke fun. Just seem a bit heated due to the claims of "fraud". It's the same question that I've been asking.

"How can you really prove a bootleg?"

Especially if it's a good bootleg. Some bootlegs that I've seen look better than original work that had been done. Still, I have no way of knowing if something is or isn't bootlegged. Unless it's completely obvious. I was fooled into buying a bootleg from Ebay, but turned out to have great quality, so I guess I got lucky. It sucks that this much work has to go into purchasing legitimate copies of soundtracks. Who woulda thunk it?

drakemarone, January 16, 2007; 11:30 AM

I was just irritated by phileroach's non-constructive, speculative comment. As for bootlegs - I have no problem buying bootlegs of scores that have never been made available. Oftentimes, there is aboslutely no difference between a promo, a bootleg and a retail quality release.

jk77, January 16, 2007; 11:50 AM

live and let live.

falcsanz, January 16, 2007; 12:04 PM

Don't take any wooden yen.

victoravalentine, January 16, 2007; 12:08 PM

Hi Joelfan.

Yes, he is the same person who offered some time ago every unreleased soundtrack under the Sun. Unless, the e-mail address is the same: "serpico1977".

I don't know if it is a fraud or not, but one thing is true: if this person is selling copies of every "unreleased" soundtrack in the world, he must be the owner of the rights of every note written by every (dead or alive) film composer in the world (and also the rights of the performers, sound engineers, etc.). If not, he is selling bootlegs. And therefore he is commiting a fraud.

Best regards,
Angel

angeldibujo, January 16, 2007; 12:14 PM

He`s a tryer for sure!!

anthonynputson, January 16, 2007; 12:00 PM

Jeez, get off your high horse Angel. Your self-righteousness is truly nauseating. Bootlegs are here to stay. They have been part opf the music industry since day 1. In fact, bootlegs actually force studios and record labels to release out of print scores, because a clear market and fanbase can be seen. This MAKE MONEY for composers, so stop talking rubbish! God, the self righteous indignation on this site is laughable!

private_hudson, January 17, 2007; 10:14 AM

Welcome to Soundtrack Collector, another satisifed reader!

anthonynputson, January 17, 2007; 10:11 AM

Then find another site Hudson. These comments you are referring to are just opinions, and since this isn't a dictatorship, I suppose for the moment we have that right. I don't agree with all the comments left, but I don't knock someone for it either. I just voice mine in response. But on the other hand, I do agree with you that bootlegs are here to stay, that's no suprise. As long as a dollar is to be made, the service will remain.

drakemarone, January 17, 2007; 10:14 AM

What are you, Drakemarone, the forum police?! I gave my opinion and I'm entitled to it. Far too many hypocrites and holier than thou types on here, slapping down and slagging off people who own or sell bootlegs, when in actuality, almost every person on here has bought or sold a bootleg at some stage. It's a fact, illustrated countless times in the past, that bootleg scores have forced lables and studios to issue an official release of something. Composers should be thankful for bootlegs, because they raise awareness of a composers work, build the fanbase, provide free publicity and make them money by having a hand in the decision to release their scores to the paying public.

There are no negatives to bootlegs. All this "but they cost the composer money" stuff is pure myth. Bootleg scores are not sold on a wide enough basis to make any real dent in profits. Furthermore, how can bootlegs of unreleased scores cost a composer money?! If it's never been released, there is no loss. The composer got paid upfront - end of story. Add to that the benefits I listed above and the whole issue is moot anyway.

Bootlegs *should* be out there. The music deserves to be heard, and not languish in some vault somewhere because of the greed and avarice of labels, studios, performers and musicians.

Art should not be locked up. I have no doubt that if you asked John Williams/Zimmer/Horner etc if they had to choose between having their work locked away *forever* at the whim of some corpulent hollywood hack or having it available to fans across the world in bootleg form, they would choose the latter. If not, they are not real artists.

As a comparison, what if publishers discovered a new, never before released work by shakespeare and refused to publish it because of contarct and money disputes? If people started issuing bootleg copies on the net opr wherever, would there be this kind of righteous indignation? Of course not! People wouldn't think twice about reading it if they got the chance.

Hypocrisy everywhere, pure and simple.

This is my opinion. Deal with it.

private_hudson, January 17, 2007; 11:44 AM

Dealing now................................please hold................

anthonynputson, January 17, 2007; 1:09 PM

Lol, I will. And you bring up very good points. I never said I had a problem with it (bootlegs). I agree that the work should be released, and I think it's a sham when their is a limited release and if you don't get it in time, well you just don't get it. But oh well.

Oh, and forum police, lol. What are you talking about? I'm probably the most least confrontational person on this forum (which I'm not saying there are a lot), so how am I "police". I'll just have to catalog that statement away.

drakemarone, January 17, 2007; 1:14 PM

Nice to meet you, "Private Hudson", and welcome to this site.

Hypocrisy? Well, I don't think that's the case.

You are right: "Bootlegs don't cost the composer money". That may be true, but you have forgotten to say that bootlegs make money for people that has stolen that music. People who is unable to create his own original ideas and decides to steal the gifts of other people.

On the other hand, I'm sure that John Williams, Hans Zimmer, James Horner, etc. are happy to see their work in the medium for which it was done: the movies. They are film composers and that's how they get the money. And when one of their scores is released, they receive more money. That's fair, isn't it? And that's good for all of us, soundtrack collectors.

About bootlegs... They exist, people purchase them, even some composers release their own bootlegs..., but it is a fraud. I'm sorry, but that is clear. Pure and simple FRAUD. Hypocrisy? Mmm, what are you are talking about?

By the way, if somebody discovers "a new, never before released work by Shakespeare", do you think you or me have the right to publish it and get the money? I suppose there will be a "William Shakespeare state" that will do that for us. Literature was written to be read (so books are necessary), but film music was composed to be listened into a motion picture (so CDs are not necessary - although we all enjoy them).

I respect your opinion, Private Hudson. This is my opinion.

Best regards,
Angel

angeldibujo, January 17, 2007; 3:28 PM