I would be interested if someone has ever done a thorough matching of the tracks.

I can confirm there are tracks that are only on one of the two releases (and vice versa - so none of the two is the 'complete package'), so the tracks are NOT exactly the same.

However, I tried to match them once myself and at one point of time, gave up on it because I found it very difficult (many of the tracks in question were difficult to distinguish).

Urs

handstand, February 4, 2007; 8:09 AM

I don't remember the exact details but yes I can confirm that each CD contains some cues that are not on the other one. Some tracks are totally unique to each release and some selections have been edited/cut on either release too.

So if you care for the music, get both !

- Dorian

42zaphod, February 4, 2007; 8:47 AM

I have gone back to trying to match the two CDs.

Temporary result: cinephile sounds MUCH clearer, Legend more muffled. I suspect cinephile had access to master tapes while Legend stems from an LP.

handstand, February 4, 2007; 9:03 AM

What about the Cinephile and the Ticker Tape releases for ''Sinbad And The Eye Of The Tiger''.

There are 17 tracks on the Cinephile release.

I have no clue how many tracks there are on the Ticker Tape release since none have been submitted in SC's database.

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/soundtrackdetail.php?movieid=24963

I wonder if there are tracks on the Ticker Tape release not included in the Cinephile release?

serifiot, February 4, 2007; 9:10 AM

So you have both releases for ''The Stone Killer'' Urs...

Thanks for comparing!

Indeed, the Cinephile releases do seem to have an overall 'clear' sound to them. Perhaps too 'clear'?

The Cinephile productions of each Roy Budd cd I have are excellent even though I must admit I do fancy the front cover on the Legend release for ''The Stone Killer'' and the Ticket Tape front cover for ''Sinbad And The Eye Of The Tiger".

I like the added signature by Roy Budd on each of the Cinephile cd releases as well... nice touch!

serifiot, February 4, 2007; 9:50 AM

As I said, it is difficult to match the tracks. Some cinephile tracks do seem to include a Legend track, but in an extended version. Here's what I sensed were equivalents (tracks times from iTunes for Cinephile, from soundtrackcollector for Legend):

Cinephile CIN CD 006 (1999) vs. Legend CD6 (1991):

1. Main Title 3:22 EQUALS 1. Main title 3:20

2. M3 (Sk 7) 2:04 EQUALS 12. From Viet-Nam to New York 2:00

3. M5 (Sk 7) 2:56 NOT ON Legend

4. M5 (Sk 2) 1:24 NOT ON Legend

5. Too Late 2:46 INCLUDES 7. Too late 2:10 (plus expanded middle section?)

6. In The Shadows 3:37 EQUALS 6. In the shadows 3:33

7. The Graveyard 2:39 EQUALS 5. The graveyard 2:34 (plus slightly longer intro)

8. M5 (Sk 6) 2:45 INCLUDES seeminlgy 8. „The old precinct“ 1:25 plus additional middle section, but no perfect match

9. Black Is Beautiful 4:45 NOT ON LEGEND

10. M7 (Sk 10) 1:40 INCLUDED IN 14. Assassination 3:05 = Combination of M4 (Sk 10) first, then M7 (sk 10)

11. Jazz Source 1:43 EQUALS 9. Down downtown 1:42

12. Cool Bossa Source 3:51 EQUALS 11. Down uptown 3:50

13. M4 (Sk 10) 1:47 INCLUDED IN 14. Assassination 3:05 = Combination of M4 (Sk 10) first, then M7 (sk 10)

14. M1 (Sk 10) 3:06 INCLUDES 13. „The Chase“ 2:43 (plus extra material - in the middle?)

15. M5 (Sk 10) 2:36 INCLUDES 15. Final capture 2:05

These tracks seem to exist only on the Legend CD:

3. The plot 3:14
4. On the trail 3:00
10. On the move 1:55

Cinephile disc time: 41:10 vs. Legend disc time: 38:38


handstand, February 4, 2007; 11:20 AM

Thanks for all the detailed work you went into Urs!

I'll manage to get both.

This other fellow soundtrack devotee and Budd fan I had correspondence with, replied basically with what you have just stated in addition to the fact that the song 'Black Is Beautiful' is not even in the film.

Strange!

They replied: 'One thing that I find frustrating about the Cinephile CD is there music on this CD that is not in the actual film - and there is music in the film that is not on the CD (I'm thinking mostly the source cues). I've seen the film quite a number of times and there ain't no "Black Is Beautiful". The Cinephile CD makes you think all of this music was in or intended for the film and I don't believe either is the case - and the extensive and frothy notes don't clarify this the way Lukas Kendall or Jon Burlingame would on an FSM version of this soundtrack."

Once more, thanks to all!...

serifiot, February 4, 2007; 12:00 PM

Hi serifiot,

A favourite score of mine for many years ... you will see that there was a vinyl LP on the Project 3 label with seven tracks (incl. one source track) but I have never attempted to match this up with the Cinephile release.

I'm not surprised that the sound quality of the Legend release is considered inferior ... several of the Morricone ones I own have less than quality sound.

I haven't checked but I recall the sleeve notes of the Cinephile release state that this was the first release (I remember thinking at the time that this was strange as I had owned the LP for many years!) and I presume the Legend release pre-dates the Cinephile release.

I'm very pleased to read that you are enjoying Mr. Budd's music - he gets a good deal of airtime in this house.

Mitch, February 4, 2007; 5:56 PM

In this house as well! ;- )

Any comments on Budd's "Field Of Honor" Mitch or anyone else who has this like yourself angeldibujo.

What does it sound like?

serifiot, February 5, 2007; 9:53 AM

Sorry, serifiot, but "Field of Honor" means nothing to me.

As it is by Roy Budd I'd probably add it to my collection (at the right price).

Are you aware of his "cover" version orchestral suites? He produced a 2LP set of suites from the big sci-fi / blockbuster movies back in the early 1980s (called, I recall, "The Fantasy Album") which included Superman, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Alien, Supergirl and a few others. It came in for some criticism in the soundtrack press at the time (along the lines of why was he bothering to record music so easily available in its original form?) I remember reading that he had financed the project himself - with the London Symphony Orchestra! It was good (high) quality stuff (I had a cassette tape recorded version for many years - not sure if it's still in the box). Some of the tracks (John Williams' compositions) were subsequently released on a budget-priced CD album: Big Screen Adventure (Hallmark 302972).

There were also two CDs released in the mid/late 80s using some of these themes and a host of others - I seem to remember there was an excellent version of Jerry Goldsmith's Final Conflict theme and one or two of Roy Budd's own compositions - I think I'll do some searching to see if either are still available anywhere (though I can't recall their titles).

And I keep thinking I'll buy the DVD release of The Sandbaggers - a great spy story serial (here in the UK) with a lovely RB title theme.

Sorry to waffle!

Mitch, February 5, 2007; 6:47 PM

I love waffles! ;- )

Actually Amazon has some few decent priced copies of the cd soundtrack to ''Field Of Honor''.
I don't believe I have seen this film but I'm quite curious to listen to the music which he wrote.

I'm sure these recordings you are referring to could be found with a little persistence.
I would be very much interested in acquiring them as well.
El records has just released a cd titled "Roy Budd - Blue Budd".
If interested it could be found here...

http://www.cherryred.co.uk/el/artists/roybudd.htm

The following link might be of interest as well which presents an interesting detailed Roy Budd discography and other interesting information about this composer...

http://www.dougpayne.com/rbdisco.htm

As a side note, his last musical work which had drained him of all his funds (he even had to sell his piano) and which probably from the overall stress tragically cost him his life at a very young age was his own music film score rendition to the classic 1925 silent film ''Phantom Of The Opera''.
This was to be released by EMI but unfortunately never was due to his death.
It would very interesting and an honor in his name for this work to see the light of day at some point in the future.

serifiot, February 6, 2007; 5:40 AM

I know this is an old post but wanted to mention that several years
ago I was luckily invited, with a few of my film colleagues, to a one off performance at London's EMI Headquarters of Roy Budd's score to the 1925 version 'The Phantom of the Opera'.

Not only was this the only time it had ever been played live apart from when originally recorded but his wife was there, who was happily surprised by the response to her late husbands last piece of recorded music (the place was packed) but managed to talk about their sad struggle getting it recorded and that they sold quite a lot (inc. his piano) to be able to pay for an orchestra to record it somewhere that was reasonably cheap in Europe (sorry can't remember exactly where but will def have it written down somewhere).
The added bonus was that she talked about many of his other scores and some great memories of her late husband, Roy Budd.

It was a privilege and very moving experience.

richtea69uk, August 30, 2008; 9:20 AM